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Jenstone
@jenstone
09/24/16 02:11:32PM
72 posts

Protection [Discuss Incubus] Protection


Empath

I'LL SHARE MY EXPERIENCE:

--three occasions over the past 4 years.  Once I was just sitting at my computer, once I was in the shower, and once I was sitting on my teenage daughter's bed talking to her.

--At none of the times was I sleeping, or dreaming or even close

--At none of the times was I engaged in any sort of meditation or activity of an intentionally spirit-evoking nature, although generally my life has really amped up spritually these last 5 years.

WHAT IT FELT LIKE

It was an extreme dread, that was like a veil lifting to show an evil evil reality, it washed over me like nausea does (although i didn't feel any nausea, just a similar washing over feeling), each episode lasted approximately 10-15 seconds, enough for me to share the experience orally with my daughter. "Something's happening," I said out loud. And then I just sort of gritted my teeth to bear it. My daughter just held my arm and experienced it too, not the spirit but my experience of it. My son came to the room, too, and neither questioned my experience, they both just helped me to "get over it." It took about 5 minutes to fully recover, and all I could say is that I had no idea what it was, but it was very Evil.

--On all three occasions I felt that the visit was personalized, as in, it was with me, personally, not like electricity or rain which are random, but more like a specific and intimate encounter. Sometimes incubus is related to sex. I wouldn't say that these were sexual, but I also would not say that they were asexual, more like alpha energy, yang, male. 

To be thorough, I explored possible heart problems because I read that when a person's heart stops, it can feel this way. I got every screen that might show if I was having a heart attack or stroke or even just an irregular beat.... Nothing...... healthy heart.

Again, a prayer of protection. As we discuss our experiences, protect us and give us eyes that see and ears that hear, a heart that understands, bravery to know more of what we didn't know. Wisdom to stop when we are in danger. Healing and Power to Heal. Hear us!

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/24/16 01:59:29PM
72 posts

Protection [Discuss Incubus] Protection


Empath

I pray to God and the Angels to protect us while we discuss this topic. I was wondering if anyone else has ever had an experience that they would characterize as being an encounter with an incubus?

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/24/16 01:32:33PM
72 posts

Iraq and Iraqi People


Empath

By the way, my icon is a section of a painting I made. I had to come home every night and put the energies and emotions I was experience re: Iraq in some form to see it outside myself. 

Protection. Sending up the little innocent souls of children. Covering Evil with Good. SEEING what's in the shadow, seeing it's complexity. 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/24/16 01:27:16PM
72 posts

Iraq and Iraqi People


Empath

I have such a strong pull toward the suffering in Iraq, both the victims and perpetrators of violence, who often are one and the same. This pull almost interferes with my daily living. There is a song "Come as you are" by David Crowder and I will sing that song over and over, "Earth has no sorrow that heaven can't heal," and a feeling of deep world sadness comes, and sometimes almost makes me pass out--- it feels like an awareness that if we cannot approach the problems there with an attitude of healing, then the world as we know it may actually end. Sometimes I wake to the horror and regret of taking a human life (I haven't done so myself, but I feel that feeling as if it's my own.) --- as if I'm getting it from over there. We can't fight killing with killing, and I don't mean to address this as a political issue, but as a spiritual issue. I have worked with many people from Iraq and they describe an unnamable "Evil" I once had a woman literally shudder when I asked who killed her husband..... I was asking for a name or name of a group.... she just gasped and shook and looked at me. There is no name for it..... There is no name for that Evil.

Of course most people have some sense of concern for what's going on there, so I don't mean for the post to be a strategy or political commentary... MY QUESTION FOR YOU is do any in the Empath community feel Iraq's pain on an Empath level, and if so, please share.


updated by @jenstone: 02/15/17 03:42:02PM
Jenstone
@jenstone
09/24/16 12:44:11PM
72 posts

Feelings of hate


Empath

Moonchild:

@Jenstone, thank you. You actually have helped me very much...I am going to do just that, step back and stop labeling. I have been trying to figure this out for quite some time, as it pertains to one individual specifically. I have been having the hardest time with this, yours is the best piece of advice I have heard and makes great sense.. Thank you so much.

Excellent. let's stay in touch about things if we "tick" the same way!

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/24/16 12:28:31PM
72 posts

Feelings of hate


Empath

Moonchild:

@Jenstone, I was wondering where you were going with the list you posted above. I too have those emotions, and quite a bit of all that you listed applies. What do you suggest it is?

Hi Moonchild, the list was to back things up a step. Sometimes in the effort to identify things, we can rush the investigative stage. So, for instance, you might identify an experience of an energy as "love" or "hate" or "hunger" or "anxiety" because these are the closest packages in your packaging drawer, but sometimes if all of the remedies aren't working, that might point to the need for a slower or even more complex investigation of what's going on. I have, at times, had success with a technique I learned from a counselor, where I refrain from identifying what an energy or emotion is.... that is I refrain from labeling it..... until I spend a bit more time, experiencing it, feeling it in the various parts of my body, saying out loud what it feels like, what it makes me want to do or not do.... I do a few rounds of this, without rushing to conclusions, just observe... in fact I use the words "I notice that" and then I might make list of things as I did here. Sometimes I discover that "hunger" is actually tired or that depressed is actually anger plus happiness and that jams my circuits and so I resort to depressed.  I think particularly when we have two or more emotions at once, plus some bleed off of energy from another person, we just need to be patient, slow it way down, and just experience them individually. Sometimes, after doing this a few times, I realize that I don't even need to name things. If I will take the time to be with the energies and emotions, memories, and experience them, they simply get consumed and I move on. I thought that Rene's hate might be a conglomeration of things, and so I had offered the list as first-step of excavation.

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/23/16 03:43:25PM
72 posts

How do you know you've met a fellow empath or highly spiritual individual?


Empath

Goodenergyhealing:
Jenstone: Can you explain the boundaries that you set with people, if any, and how you come to a place of not hurting or endangering yourself when you help others or extend compassion to others?

to me it is more a question of making sure that healings and protections are extensive enough, rather than setting boundaries. In my experience, especially strong negative energies, like with psychopath, or narcissists, seem to have 'back-up' energies in the outside (of their bodies). They are usually just a marionette of those energies, but living under the illusion that they are in control. Giving healing to very negative energies can cause back-lash anyway (spiritually, or physically), so one should pray for protections against such, but also protections against, and healing for any potential outside sources of negative energy support.

Other than that, I try to be assertive, and speak my truth, or just shut up (where more sensible). But I am single, no kids or such, no any family close by - so I can perhaps be somewhat more brazen. Every once in a while I get a massage client, that 'feels' psychotic and scary. Adrenalin then usually stops pumping, and makes me extra alert, but in the end have no choice but to trust that the healing energies I work with will keep them in check. Worked so far. Most do not come back, and in 9 years I only blocked 3 or so from contacting me again, as repeatedly too scary feeling....

So I fully understand your compassion for such people. I find it is illusionary to believe that all our incarnations we have never been on the perpetrator side as well. Plus if we want to experience darkness, so we can cherish Light the more - someone has to take on the role of the villain. It is just a sometimes difficult path between trying to remain unconditionally loving, but also assertive and not appear soft and a target....

Thank you. I'm fairly new to the recognition of possibly being an Empath so I don't know much about "protections" other than praying for safety, but I usually don't recognize the need for protections until I'm all immersed in it. The neat thing is that the Empath paradigm really really makes sense, even just thinking this way, that there are energies and protections etc. is so much more helpful than thinking that emotions are just chemicals inside peoples' physical bodies. Love it!

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/23/16 10:01:35AM
72 posts

Feelings of hate


Empath

So it comes from your chest. Can you describe "hate" by using some other words, too? Or if that's difficult, here is a list you can say no and yes to.

want them to go away

want to say something

feel frustrated

feel like hurting them

feel pressure

feel like I am different

feel like I am better

feel like I want them to go away

feel like I want to go away

feel injustice

feel a gap

feel a mountain

feel a crushing

feel a seeping

feel a seething

feel electric

feel like spewing or projecting out energy

any other ideas, just do a free flow for a minute.

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/23/16 08:56:28AM
72 posts

Feelings of hate


Empath

It sounds to me like you need to be compassion with yourself. I usually find that if there is a thought I'm avoiding, and it keeps coming back, then there is some digging to do. Perhaps you've identified your feeling of "hate" to early in your process. What do you feel when you are around your Christian friends?

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/23/16 08:29:08AM
72 posts

How do you know you've met a fellow empath or highly spiritual individual?


Empath

Goodenergyhealing:

hmmm - not quite sure. Do not have any set and fast rules.

I guess I go with how I feel around a person. And with clients I add the strength/ intensity of healing energies flowing, how clear their e.g. chakras are, etc.. But I have also learned to add in how I feel before I meet a person, and how afterwards. Narcissists and Psychopath can feel wonderfully calms and eve lovely during a direct encounter, but then the energetic battles begin, once I am on my own again... And if there is the slightest doubt, I keep observing, rather than making my mind up about a person's character, and or state of energetic development. (and even if I come to a conclusion, I try my best to remain open to change my opinion (for better or worse). I sometimes get fears that I have turned into a bit of a cynic and overly skeptic, but then I remember that falling for a narc or psycho is potentially long term even more damaging. Plus if I am uncertain, or think someone is not all benevolent, I simply ask for more healing for them, and or our relationship....
And not to doubt that you are highly empathetic and gifted (it comes across through the posts/ comments I have read by you), but cynic little me even remains skeptic when someone pays me such compliments. Especially if people do so, that I have just met. Often enough it seems they are just trying to sweet talk my ego.... Cult recruiters will often sweet talk people in such a way, to get them to join up (again - no judgement on whoever told you though!).

Love and Light!

Your comments here really resonate with me, goodenergy and rene, GE I like how you describe your process of observing new people you meet. I often have the experience that I "see" people, their lightness and darkness. I see the threads of evil, their past, and I have an overwhelming sense of love and acceptance. Particularly I see that violence hurts both victim and the person perpetrating violence, and so in this respect, sometimes dangerous people feel a sense of compassion and acceptance from me. Recently, though, my choices to be near people have resulted in scary things for my family members. This can't be a healing result, right? Can you explain the boundaries that you set with people, if any, and how you come to a place of not hurting or endangering yourself when you help others or extend compassion to others?
Jenstone
@jenstone
09/22/16 05:38:18PM
72 posts

Please give me guidance....


Empath

Karen2:

Well then...we'll just have to Russell up some spare bed bugs and send em on over to you....lol....I take it you never been invaded by these Lil darlings.....I personally can live without them....i'm freaking out FOR nyla..  lol...toes curled and everything. ..lol



Well yes... you are right, I've never had a bed bug infestation. But then it sounded like the panic and fear and anxiety was what was bothering nyla, so my advice was about that...not so much about what to do about bed bugs, but what to do about continued fear of bed bugs after they are gone... haha, but I do feel for those who have have bed bug infestations.. so not trying to minimize the experience at all.. just trying to diffuse the fear about the experience.... 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/22/16 05:33:27PM
72 posts

I am desperate for advice..


Empath

Thanks for the info on acetaminophen Cheshire Cat. I've had a head cold/flu and taken round the clock medicine for about three days, and I notice a blunting of my senses. Also could just be I'm dog-sick and tired, but still, I'm going to go all the way off the cold meds with tylenol and switch to ibuprofin just to test this theory on myself. Karen2, HopDaddy Cheshire Cat, Cat Whisperer, Rene, goodenergyhealing-- you are all such kind and helpful empathic people and it has been fun today to feel your spirits resonating with authenticity... there is such a lack of "ego" in this place, lots of competence but not ego-based. Very refreshing. 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/22/16 04:13:22PM
72 posts

Please give me guidance....


Empath

Is there any way to imagine that the bed bugs are just little harmless creatures like minions? Or is that too freaky. I find that often the best way to allay my fears is to quit avoiding, face them, and accept some good things not just scary things about them.... what if the thing you are feeling is just neutral, not bad, not good, just "is." 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/22/16 02:14:09PM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

Rene':

I have often wondered how a Empath could be a lawyer (I was thinking mostly defense lawyer in murder or childern cases).    

I worked 20 years in Quality Assuance and Control and I usually ended up fighting the system I was suppose to be defending.  Lol

the money thing ....it's what you get use to.  The more you make, the more it takes.    i quit my job to raise my granddaughter and now we survive on my husbands salary which isn't as much as I was making   and it was hard the first year.   Now I wonder "where in the world did I spend all that extra money". Lol.    

Funny place for an Empath! Quality Assurance and Control... such a rigid emperical way to spend your day. Glad your gifts are being used to raise a grand-daughter. Not that quality assurance is not important, just that there are so many others who could fill that role. Now you fulfill yours! :) 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/22/16 01:59:53PM
72 posts

I am desperate for advice..


Empath

Hi Ash, 

Like you I am just now deciding to explore this "Empath" path, after putting it off and pushing it away for many years for the exact reasons you state! Your journey sounds very similar to mine, married, babies, kids, naps, sleep-deprivation, tingles, uncanny coincidences that really seem more like psychic experiences. I also explored that I was manic depressive, or had some other crazies going on. My take on that is that this stuff (clarvoyance, energy sensing, intiuting the pain and emotions of others) CAN actually contribute to mental illness if we don't stop, observe, accept, breath, and identify and manage things. I love how GoodEnergyHealing talks about how any voices you hear should be treated the same as when people are speakign in the awake physical world. Test them, choose to follow or not. You aren't obligated to anything just because you listen.

I was so blessed, lucky, whatever, to have lots of love and support during my childhood and lots of stable smart spiritually open people in my friendships, that I did not "Go Crazy" but I think I could have! 

Once I was experiencing tingles from the top of my head down my shoulders and down my arms. I went to the doctor, and she said.... there are no physical problems, but I believe that you are manifesting the condition from which the saying "one's skin is crawling" comes. And you should examine carefully what is going on your life and take action. I don't want to go into detail about what happened in an online forum, but by the following year, I was divorced, and had moved 250 miles away from my husband (who I now understand to be a sociopath.) 

There was a time before western science culture that people listened to their skin and their bodies for information. So part of this is just your awareness of yourself. And I think that when you are in the window of bringing new humans into the world, your senses in this arena are heightened. Of course they are! Your mama instincts are real! They are real! And they are necessary. Listen to them, observe, record, don't judge! 

After leaving my husband (which was against my religious upbringing etc.) I went to law school, became an attorney, worked with international populations and started sensing things about the world, like not just ideas or fear but actual pre-cognition of the terrorist activity in various countries etc. I spent lots of time on vicarious trauma therapies and counseling. 

Recently everything came to a head

Over the course of my life, I have had close contact with unsually high numbers of two types of people 1) Narcissists/Sociopaths and 2) People who say I healed them or changed their life. My recent attraction of sociopaths involved being pursued by a man under investigaion for murdering his girlfriend and a client who threatened to kill me and chased me through the streets of my city in his car. Within a week of that I had a man I met in a hotel lobby, write me a letter and say that he experienced a "healing" in speaking with me. Following this I had about a week where I was interacting with electricity, i.e. turning nightlight off and on, and seeing what other people were reading on their kindle (others were able to observe and confirm that this was happening and so I didn't feel so crazy). Anyway, after the encounters with the sociopaths I thought there must be something that draws them to me and me to them and I did some research, and found out that Empaths give to Sociopaths exactly what they need--- unconditional empathy and focused energy and Sociopaths give to Empaths, a break, because Sociopaths aren't so full of confusion because they are only thinking about themselves ha ha... Anway. That was my journey and I believe that if I didn't identity that I am an Empath, then I may have unknowingly gotten myself hurt or killed, because before understanding the energies and tendencies I just walked blindly into situations.

Wow. long post... hope it helps to hear another's journey, Ash, it helped me to hear yours and your resistence to it. Thank you and Hugs!  

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 05:00:04PM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

Cat Whisperer:

Jenstone...I want to commend you for standing up for what is right....even at the expense of your employment. It seems like there are too many in this world that compromise their integrity just to make a buck. Well done 😉

Awhwhwhw thank you! And ditto to you as well. Thanks for doing the important work you do.

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 03:22:05PM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

QUESTION FOR FELLOW EMPATHS:           What do you do to make money for food and shelter and such? And are you satisfied doing this, why or why not? If you could do anything, anything at all, in what would you do "for a living." 

I'LL START:      I'm trained as a journalist and a lawyer and I really hate both because they force me to be analytical and fact-based about peoples' very spritual, emotional lives. They are professions focused on circumstances and observations and not on healing the humans within the circumstances. I wish to be a prolific fiction writer, sharing intuitive stories of healing and learning. 

 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 03:16:03PM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

Death Doula, interesting work, and I bet very spritually rewarding. I once thought of a job title, Individual Documentarian. Family would hire me to do a short documentary on their loved one's life at or close to death (before or after). What a gift to the loved one's to see the life's story, purpose, preferences, joys, sadnesses in a story form that is entertaining to watch. 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 11:07:05AM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

Thanks for your encouragement Chuck. What a blessing to be a pastor! I don't see your comment anywhere in the forum but it came to me by email, so I'm just posting a response to it here. 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 10:41:47AM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

Thanks for sharing. I feel sometimes like I'm just a priveleged prima donna insisting that I feel pleasant feelings while working.... but then there is this nagging "TRUTH" that I need to be using my gifts in a powerful way. So I am actually writing a book with a collaborator (we work daily and have for 5 months) but in the meantime, yes it feels so foreign that people give their lives away for a paycheck... it's different than just not wanting to work. The work is disconnected .... like people on both sides of a transaction are looking at a computer screen, some third party is always involved in everything.... even the job search process itself is impersonal and sectioned off from humanness... I answer questions with drop down answers, and the employer searches by dropdown answers, and when I say I have a doctorate level education and that I was terminated in my prior position, then I don't make any of the search lists. No chance to explain that I am good at so many things, that I am an amazing leader and team motivator, no chance to explain that my prior employer did something illegal and terrible concerning one of my clients and then terminated me when I wouldn't participate in a cover-up, that I chose not to sue etc etc. There is no place for Empaths in this world. That's what it feels like right now. 

Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 10:15:07AM
72 posts

Empaths and Their Concept of Work


Empath

Does anyone else struggle with the concept of work in the traditional employment sense?

I do not mind putting forth effort, getting up early, producing positive results within given paradigms, but the idea that people give away most of their daily lives to a single location or single objective---others telling them how to be and how to act and where to be and where to act just seems so CRAZY to me.... and I am having trouble accepting this.

I am 45 so it seems a little odd that I've arrived at this now, but I am supposed to be job hunting and what I really feel compelled to do is write fiction. In my former position I was in a management position, supervised staff, oversaw budgets. I'm a lawyer. I can't be one anymore! I can't contain or process the energies that come from the people in my cases, so I just want to make coffee for peope or sandwiches, something light and helpful, but how do people live on these wages, and were we meant for this? Ughghg. 


updated by @jenstone: 02/26/17 08:55:03PM
Jenstone
@jenstone
09/21/16 09:55:20AM
72 posts

Having trouble with my intuition lately....


Empath

I am newly accepting of the Empath Identity this past summer, and for the last two weeks I have also experience a "different" vibe. I am very rational and practical, so I figured just the change in seasons or temperature outside, which I am sure are part of it. Still I would characterize the experience as "thin air" like a low signal on the wireless. It's not inherently a bad thing or a good thing, just a dispersed signal and "thin." If feels like it will shift in the late part of September. We will see I guess. 

 
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