Not sure whether I am an empath or just a depressive.

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janeames
@janeames
last year
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From an early age I thought I was different and although I liked the feeling, was at the same time lonely and didn't have true friends. As I grew up I had many opportunities pass by and even when I jumped on them, they didn't turn out well.

I have a compelling urge to help other people with their problems, but not being able to solve my own. I feel that I have to have a discussion with everyone I meet because unconsciously I am there to give them a message or answer to their problem.

My personality gets often misinterpreted as manipulation. this makes me feel very bad because I feel that I am being authentically compassionate.

I have had an experience with past life regression where I saw my mother (who passed 20 years ago) at the very beginning of the session. We shared out thoughts in conversation and after a while thoughts felt worthless it was enough being there. This def was not my imagination, it was an experience.

I try to steer away from negativity now that I know it makes me feel drained. I wish though that I could have more energy.


updated by @janeames: 01/09/17 01:20:23PM
karma
@karma
last year
159 posts

Hi Janeames :)

I think many here will identify with a depressive persona. Having a compelling urge to help others with their problems and not being able to solve your own sounds very familiar also :) (I can identify with `that`)

The profoundness of needing to converse with everyone you meet is another familiar trait (again, I identify)... However the confusion in believing you have a message or answer to their problem is where many of us go wrong

- Depending on what your beliefs are I guess but, regardless we are not here to educate, fix or solve other people, we can become too fixated wanting to help even when the help is not wanted - We can offer help, solutions, ideas and lend shoulders to cry on but, we cannot expect anyone to listen and see the world the way we do if we are not in perfect harmony with ourselves - That is not to say our being there for others isnt a wonderful thing and that our influence of caring is ever a bad influence...

We (myself included) need learn to accept that we are all here on our own journeys, we can all learn from each other - An individual who is not yet open to empathy can teach us just as much as anyone that is. I know at times I am perceived as arrogant and deluded, I grasp the perception because I know myself enough (and self analyse enough) to see it, I dont believe that I am this way, although I fear others thinking it - I am very sensitive and easily hurt.

The personality misinterpretation I think is another issue so many of us face because we are indeed different and many people just don`t understand where we could ever be coming from - trying to help can be perceived as a busy body or too much of a do-gooder, compassion believed as too sensitive, not wanting to fight out situations can be viewed upon as weak and feeble.... Our good intent often mistaken for sticking our noses in where it is not wanted and this can indeed result in a belief we are manipulative and/or that we are just too overwhelming... This will and does make us feel bad and in turn has us withdrawing into ourselves and/or becoming angry at the world around us - This can lead to many feelings of unhappiness and loneliness.

Balance of everything is needed. We need balance ourselves.... That`s the hardest part

Trying to steer away from negativity is what a lot of us try, It is draining - To have recognized it is a start :)

Would love to hear more about the experience you had with the past life regression. :)

Cat Whisperer
@cat-whisperer
last year
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Karma, your post was so spot on. I can also relate to many of the things mentioned.
janeames
@janeames
last year
10 posts

the reason I went to past life regression was because I have returned to doing art - photography and I found that as I had been away from art many years, I did not have as many creative ideas as I had when I was younger and thought that my imagination would help me to composite some images in photography. I have meditated for a number of years.

I had been taking this thing very lighting, as many participants had over explosive imaginations, ie "I was a princess in Russia" etc.

Anyway, the invigilator takes you from 20 to 1, when at one he tells you to imagine where you are - on the occasion of seeing my mother I literally closed my eyes at 20, and there stood my mother in front of me. I have very few photographs of her, and have always had a problem bringing her physically to mind - I am 55 and she was bedridden when I was 14 years old. She started talking to me, and said "silly bugger, he's at 20 and I am already here" we had this mind to mind conversation in which she told me that she had a message. It was to talk to everyone but listen a lot more to what they had to say, that I didn't listen enough. She said she was very busy and was on a journey and had tasks to do, so couldn't stay long. After a few back and forths of thoughts between us, I realized that I was at a place that words were inappropriate, that it was enough just to be there. You might ask what I believe, well either I had unlocked a part of my brain and I was remembering something quite vivid, but if so this was as vivid as I had ever experienced or it was another dimension. I don't quite well. To add further to this, the next day, without my phone having the music playing it started up playing with a favorite band called James. It is a song about someone that had passed away and it said, "im talking to you, Im only talking to you. Ill see you at the seance tonight.

Do I believe in past life regression - not sure. I certaintly didn't go again, because I thought my experience needed some space. Will I go again some day, yes.

Visitor
@visitor
last year
303 posts

Google "empath test" - that' show I found out. It sounds like you may have a case of both - I know I do. I su

karma
@karma
last year
159 posts

Hi :)

I certainly believe we have all been here before and our brains hold locked away memories - I believe our personality traits are innate because of this (a lesson learned last life deep within us) so even though we cannot directly recollect our previous incarnation, our subconscious can and does.

The meeting with your mother sounds amazing - I believe the non verbal need and a telepathic communication in a different realm/dimension - in spirit you are your mind and it is you, no need for physical attributes :)

I am also a big believer in messages coming through via song, words, TV, feelings etc. I have had many occasions when I have heard someone on TV say something or a song playing and just know in an instant I was meant to hear it at that exact time.... spirit communicates in so many ways, many people will just not see it for the communication that it is, must be frustrating for the spiritual realm.

karma
@karma
last year
159 posts

Thanks Hon :)

We are indeed complex individuals :)

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
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Thank you, Karma.

That paragraph you wrote on personality misinterpretation could have been written by me. I am very sorry you get treated that way, but I hope it helps you to know that you made someone else (me) feel a bit less alone and strange.

Friends (with only a couple of exceptions), tend to contact me only when they need help in their lives and want someone to dump on. They do this despite my life being much more of of a mess than theirs.

People who don't need help are not attracted to me or quickly drop me since I am not interested in small talk or things like clothes shopping. I have actually asked people if I bore them and they all say no, but they feel they cannot offer what I want in a friendship. That's true, since like most empaths, I want intensity and deep connection. The idea of sitting and having a talk about the state of the world, about the unseen world, about our deepest feelings, etc. sounds boring to them.

If I try to help a friend who obviously has problems that other "friends" don't care enough to bring up, no matter how tactful I try to be, I often get "kill the messenger". This happens even with people who should know me well. Nine months ago I lost my best friend of 54 years due to tactfully asking her to discuss her serious memory and reading problems with her doctor. Both of her parents had dementia. I have brain damage and am familiar with those problems from others with the same illness that caused mine, so I was alarmed. She was furious that I could not "accept" her and ended a 54 yr. friendship. The last thing I want is acceptance! I want the kind of friends who will care enough to risk telling me when I am being an a**hole, and I am mature enough to listen because it may help my growth. My parents died young and I have no siblings, so she was the longest relationship of my life. It still hurts really badly and I doubt I will ever trust anyone who says I am their "sister" and they'll love me forever no matter what, ever again.

I have had many people tell me I am "too good to live" (What?) or the best human being they've ever met, or the most spiritual person they've ever met, or that they like knowing I am around if they need me, but actually being with me makes them feel "less than".

I have asked all of these people if I am acting like a know it all, or am too self-righteous, if I seem to be judging them or some other bad thing, and they all deny it and say they just feel good about themselves until they see how much more volunteer work I do despite being very ill, how I keep fighting my illness, or how I gave to charity from my disability check, etc., etc.

I then point out my many flaws, with which I am painfully familiar, and they laugh and say they've never seen me having a rage or any anger (a major problem due to my brain damage), and that I am always kind, which is not true at all. I just try not to inflict rages on others, and rarely feel enraged towards those I like, though my husband can't escape, poor man. I also dislike most humans and admit it, so I am certainly not the most spiritually advanced person ever, lol.

As crazy as it sounds, it seems I am being isolated and punished merely for trying to always be a better and better person. I had a handwriting analysis done once which said that I can be misunderstood, which is a shame. Understatement! Sorry to ramble, but this really hit a nerve.

Has anyone else experienced the misunderstanding problem to this extreme degree? If so, how do you handle it?

Cheshire Cat

P.S. On past life regression, I had a psychic once run through my past lives, and she hit several I was already familiar with through lucid dreams, but also came up with a few I did not know about. I would give anything to have an experience like you had, janeames, where I could actually talk to a relative who had passed on. What a blessing! Thanks for telling us about it. :-)

janeames
@janeames
last year
10 posts

Cheshire Cat - I have had a couple of long term friendships that I thought would never end, after some very small insignificant incidents. It is extremely painful when you have invested all that time and emotion with someone. The last occasion for me was two years ago, when a close friend invited all the people she didn't care for to her son's wedding and left me out. I had taken this friend to her cancer treatments, dropped everything when she needed to talk, (she didn't tell anyone else she had cancer). Looked after her house when she regularly went on trips to her cabin etc. I did not talk to her about it because her mother died at the same time and I felt I could not talk to her about it then. Straight after she moved away. However, alone in my pain, I thought about the friendship and realized it was one sided, and I feel it is her loss, not mine. I also think that being so close for such an extended time and then shutting me out was a problem with her not mine. It seems to me such a long term problem with her (she said herself that she had never had close friends, but me) that I would not be able to fix her, and I have always believed that you can only fix yourself not other people, so have let the "friendship" go. I bought a book a long time ago on friendships and breakups, you might want to check it out. Lastly, you have to consider (like I did) why you need to have such deep friendships. I guess I had an unconscious want for those close friendships that other people seem to have - I am beginning to think that these kinds of friendships are unique and you are lucky if you come across them, MOST people don't have these in their lives. I decided instead of having few friends, to have more but spread myself thinly, and I have been much happier.

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Friends-Forever-Surviving-Breakup/dp/1590200403/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1454781908&sr=1-3&keywords=best+friends+forever

Take care.

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
1,185 posts

Hi janeames,

Thank you for the link. I appreciate it and will get to it as soon as I finish my lunch. :-)

I am so very sorry for what happened to you. I figured out that I should end one-sided relationships when I got the disease I have and my closest friends turned out not to be there for me at all. It was a couple of casual friends who were really there for me, much to my surprise, though they eventually moved off too, as I got sicker.

I had a similar experience to your wedding non-invitation with a long term online friend, and ended it after I faced the fact that she did not consider online friendship to be "real" even after more than 6 yrs. of long, daily emails.

I assume it has occurred to you that the reason this woman did not tell anyone she had cancer was that she could not fully deal with it, and seeing you ever after reminded her of the cancer? (This is an example of the kind of thing I say that pisses some people off. I was a psychiatric social worker, and don't see why I should not bring up a possible insight, if I have one. I did not say it was a certainty, merely a possibility, and if it resonates with you, it would confirm that it was totally her problem, though you seem to understand that already, but many folks might not. Why this makes people mad eludes me, since like you, I mean only to help). Whatever the reason, it was truly awful, and I can see why you have kept new friends at arms length since then.

I have done the same with the one new person who has befriended me since this happened. I find it very hard to do though, since I never really had a family. I never knew any relatives due to a religious difference which caused my parents to be disowned by both sides of he family, and I had no siblings, and parents who were totally into their work and did not want a child, so my friends have always beenmy family. I am lucky to still have two other 54 yr. old friendships that have lasted despite thousands of miles between us. These are not nearly as close as the one I lost though, though one is still in constant contact with me.

I am also serious by nature, am a "brainy" type, with corresponding interests, and feel lonely if I don't have anyone to discuss the things I am interested in. I have tried having many casual friends and felt far more lonely that way than I do now. I actually felt like I'd been dropped on another planet. From what I've read and seen in videos, it is common for most empaths to prefer a few deep relationships. I agree with you that most people do not need that in their lives, but not having real intimacy would remove all purpose from life for me. That is just me and I must be who I really am for the time I have left. I pick up that some people are actually afraid of that kind of closeness and most don't even seem to want it from their family. I feel like a different species!

I am glad having more friends but more casual ones has worked for you. I believe most people prefer that these days, or at least it appears that way to me,so you should find it easier to do. I doubt it would ever work for me, since it is just not who I am, and there is also my illness, which makes new friendships almost impossible now, especially since I can no longer drive. I also have to run my husband's business, which ties me to an office 84 hrs. a week. I've made peace with it mostly, but I'm not where you are yet.

It would have been a lot easier for me to deal with it if my BFF had died, as awful as that sounds. It is also possible that what I picked up with her and saw happening over the past couple of years is correct. It is a very common symptom of Alzheimer's to vehemently deny having a problem, so I would not blame myself at all if it turned out I was right, but since she lives 4,000 miles away, I will never know if I was right or not, and I tend to think that no matter how flat a pancake is it still has two sides, so I must have done something wrong, however small, that I can work on.

I am pleased that you have not let that former friend become empowered by your pain, but instead have taken your power back and used it to find happiness. I look forward to arriving in the place you are now! Thanks for giving me hope.... :-)

Cheshire Cat

Conny
@conny
last year
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Hey :)I do identify myself with your entire post I just wanted to let you know that.I am being missunderstood by the people around me a lot as well and so many times I find it really hard to deal with that. Expecially because as we are so sensitiv, I feel like it hurts us even more when we get pushed away or rejected by others.I don't really have an advice here ... I just wanted to let you know you are definitly not alone!!Lots of loveConny
karma
@karma
last year
159 posts

Hi Cheshire Cat :)

I am so sorry to hear of the relationship break up - 54 years is a life time - I think a lot of the time people cannot understand `altruism` its an alien trait to most... instead theres the belief we are after something (even if that something is self importance.... It never is but, people view us that way)

I totally relate to the fear I seem too self righteous at times, I really worry I sound arrogant and as if I think I know everything... I don`t!

- I am not the person I project to others that`s one of the hardest parts about being me lol, I judge no one, I don`t aim to put anyone right - my advice too deep and meaningful which can be I guess a little too overwhelming.

I had to giggle at your response to janejames when you say about the cancer and added `This an example of the kind of things I say that pisses people off` - I can totally identify... Its a well rounded and articulate question yet after having said it you instantly think `should I have even said that` or `yep, that could be taken the wrong way` .... lol.... so me!!

I point out my flaws also... Why do we do this? Its as if we do not like ourselves, need reasurance from others.... why? I am trying to learn not to do this because am beginning to believe we are projecting that dislike of ourselves onto others and they (unwittingly or not) begin to look for the flaws we are talking about (be careful too, I have pointed out an over thinking flaw and it has been used against me often, anytime I have tried to explain something someone has said or done to have upset me, their response was always deflected from what they had said and instead a further upset in telling me I was overthinking the situation because that`s what I always do.... very unfair)

It does not sound crazy that it seems you are being punished and isolated for trying to be a better person.... I think in all honesty it is a case of people just cant handle and/or understand profoundness - todays world is about superficial everything but, hardly anyone recognizes it, so when they react in a manner we dont identify with (concerning our personality traits), we are affected deeply and they cant ever understand why or how they could be accountable... It can be very complex.

I will say your not liking most humans and saying you are not spiritually advanced.... I think otherwise, humanity is an ugly race, To see it for what it is, is extremely advanced :)

Your rages.... They come from somewhere and for a reason.... It takes a lot for me to fly into an actual rage, but, when I do, its very ugly.

Do you mind me asking what caused the brain damage? I was medicated 11 years with a potent brain drug and believe although symptomatically recovered I have memory and disorientation problems

The toughest situation I face with personality misinterpretation is that I am a stupid and a pushover

janeames
@janeames
last year
10 posts

Thanks for your thoughts.One misinterpretation though - about the woman with cancer only telling me. She talked very badly about her friends and these were part of the neighborhood. I was in the neighborhood too, but had moved here later. Her kids were around the same age, mine were a little younger. She constantly said that she didn't trust her other friends and felt that I was her best friend. I was the only one she told about her cancer feeling, she said, that she didn't want people asking how she was doing, or talking behind her back and feeling sorry for her. In the end, although she said she didn't care for them, she really wanted to be part of their inner circle. I think she wanted to keep me and them at arm's length. A couple of these friends were surprised that I wasn't invited to the wedding and I felt very shunned. I decided not to attend her mother's funeral because she had been acting weird and rude about a month before, but I had not been cognizant of it until around her mother's death. I did not know her mother that well, so send card and flowers instead - it would've felt weird going. I go to a lot of "meetups", you might look into these on meetup.com. It must be difficult though not driving.

janeames
@janeames
last year
10 posts

Conny - not sure who you replied to above. But as I mentioned before, I have cognizantly tried to spread myself thinly over more people I have joined many "meetups" on meetup.com and meet up with people who share my interests, this helps not to get deeply involved with them.

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
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janeames,

Sorry, I misunderstood that part about her friends. My friend always said horrible things about her other friends too. That was a red flag I missed, thinking myself different, since I'd been her friend forever and because she told me several times and even wrote me a letter telling me that her sister and I were the only two human beings she really loved and would never leave behind.

Not trusting her own friends was probably a flag too with your friend. I missed so much of that stuff on purpose. I ignored things like that a lot when I was younger and had no boundaries; a typical empath problem. Now that I have boundaries, I do not tolerate being treated that way.

I went to one Meetup of people with a common interest, but it was on our busiest work night , and we had to leave the business phone unattended and my husband had to go too, to drive me. It was way too long at 4 hours and I could hardly walk after sitting on a folding chair that long, and my husband said he would just drop me off in future, go all the way home and come back to pick me up. I couldn't do that to him after how hard he works at his age.

I do have a few friends, it is just that they all live really far away from me. I had to move where I live now for my health when the problems started and have never fit in here. It is totally different than where I am from. I only have two who live close enough to see, and one is tied to her house just like I am to mine. We share an illness, plus she cares for an elderly woman full time in her home, since like me, she is too sick to work outside the home. The other is a workaholic, working 100 hrs. a week since many other incomes depend on hers. I see her 1-3 times a year and almost never communicate in-between, since if I do, she bombards me with her problems all day long, in mile long emails, and another thing I've quit is being everyone's free shrink.

I did a lot of counseling with people who have my disease ( ran a support group for 10 yrs. before I had to stop driving) and I am very lucky compared to most. We become invisible when we are housebound and many have no friends at all. Curiously, I find that many of them want it that way. I wish I felt that way, it would make it much easier.

If I ever find time and energy and want it enough, I will try to start my own MeetUp at our local senior center which is close enough I would not feel bad making my husband drive me and drop me off. Being sick, I am reluctant to lead a group again, since I can't guarantee I can show up for it myself!

It sounds like you did the right thing with that funeral. It was very gracious of you.

C.Cat

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
1,185 posts

Karma,

OMG, after reading the intelligent and articulate way you write, I cannot believe anyone could think you stupid! They are probably: a) jealous for some reason, b) misinterpreting kindness for stupidity, an all too common problem since sociopathy has apparently become an acceptable "moral" code in our sick society.

Ditto for being a pushover, though in my case, I used to be that way, until I made myself open up and invest emotionally far more slowly. This has been recent but has already paid off when I got very close very fast to someone who seemed like a fabulous new online friend for me and after long daily emails and phoning me many times she suddenly abandoned me. I know it is her problem, and I think I know why she did it, so I do not blame myself. I would have been devastated before, so losing my BFF has already taught me something helpful. To close myself or hold back is not my nature, but I can do it. It takes practice.

Thank you for pointing out that admitting my flaws can be used against me. I forget that too often. I do it only when people insist I am somehow saintly and make them feel like they are lessor beings just by being myself. I want them to see I'm human too, though sometimes I wonder about that, but for other reasons and that is a whole other thread!

The rages come from the brain damage. According to my Neurologist, loss of temper control is the number one symptom of permanent brain trauma. I had zero temper before and it feels like being possessed.

The brain damage came from two things: 1)a car accident with a head injury at which I was declared dead on the scene. Surprise! and, 2) the late-stage neuroborreliosis aka Lyme Disease, which is slowly killing me because I was misdiagnosed for 21 years. Lyme is only curable in the first stage and you can get remission in the second if you are young and have lots of money for treatment. I was not correctly diagnosed until late stage three. This is very common, unfortunately. There have been many homicide/suicides due to Lyme rages, as they are known, so I have an extra reason to avoid toxic people since they enrage me.

Thank you for admitting you agree with me about humanity. I think many people are only interested in what you can do for them, IME. It takes courage to say that in our culture, where we put a happy face on everything and I also think we require women specifically to put up with just about any sort of behavior in order to be thought of as decent, nice people.

If interested in finding out what sort of brain problems you have, you can ask for referral to have a neuropsychological evaluation. The copay can be pricey, and it takes several hours, usually spread over 2-3 days, but you will find out exactly what is going on and if anything can be done to help fix or improve it. I remember I went into shock when I saw my results, refused to believe them and got a second opinion, which was the same. I did not speak to anyone for two weeks after that, but then I faced facts and dropped my professional licenses, as it was clear I would never work again. I do run my husband's business, but doing it from home is the only reason I can; it is not a lot of work, though I am tied to the phone. I always open the office and turn on the phone very late, due to feeling so bad in the mornings and having all sorts of medical maintenance chores, so we miss clients due to my illness. The results of the testing also instantly changed my disability status, so that I no longer have to worry about the stressful reviews they normally require.

janeames
@janeames
last year
10 posts

this is a good discussion and helps enormously. Karma - I would like to suggest that instead of thinking the human race "ugly" I try to look at them as though they are mentally ill - more like from a Buddhist point of view, If you hold this in your mind, it may help you to stay calm (this practice is for you not them). If you think that they have a mental disease then there is a conscious feeling that "they can't help it" gives compassion to them, but the best part is that it makes you feel more grounded. This has help me enormously, as I deflected my anger and sadness from my friend, back onto her "because she was not in her right mind" that is not to say that I am now ok with what she did, it just helped me to "let go" and "move on" and work on surrounding myself with positive people - I do, as I say, do not get too close now, I am happier involving myself deeply in me and my passions not other people. I think I big part of a healthy mind is to find your passion.

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
1,185 posts

Hi janeames,

Sorry to butt in on your post to Karma, but I wanted to comment that is also how I think of people, especially since that was my career before my illness, and I often see that people do have a mental illness behind their actions. This does not help me; in fact, it makes me more depressed to see just how many people are mentally ill out there, how they are not getting diagnosed and treated, and how just one with a serious personality disorder can ruin an entire family's happiness. I have seen one person poison entire families so often, yet I know most people will never remove toxic family members from their lives no matter how badly they are treated by them because they believe they must love them. Worse, they blame themselves, since they do not know the person is ill. Your ability to perceive that will save you a lot of pain.

I mentioned in another post that people where I had to move for my illness are very, very different than where I come from., so much so that I gave them a name, the MIMM people, which stands for Moronic, Immoral, Mentally Ill, Materialists. That may sound harsh, but I've had two friends and one relative move here, thinking they would like being warm and wearing sandals and having less arthritis pain, only to go back up north, saying they could not stand the people here and were so lonely it was not worth being warm, so it is not just me who feels this way. I've lived in 8 states and this one is the only one where I felt like I'd landed on another planet. My husband's job is not portable, or I'd be out of here, no matter how much sicker the temperate climate would make me.

I totally agree with you about finding your passion, but not everyone finds one. I have a moderate interest in many, many things, and am never bored, but have never felt a great passion for any one thing. It was very hard to decide on a major in college due to that, and at almost 65 yrs. old, I still have no one thing I feel compelled to pursue. I always have interests to read about and research, but nothing drives me. I am very glad you did find a passion, and I think that is a wonderful way to live. You will also meet people with that same passion that way. I guess people like me could pick their top 3 interests and do what you've done, diving their time between them..... :-)

C. Cat

Kaolin
@kaolin
last year
28 posts

Cheshire Cat~

Thank you so much for posting this! I too have been called a 'do gooder' and most people struggle with my ability to be compassionate to all and also feel that I make them feel like they're not good enough. Although I too have asked if I come off as a know it all and that doesn't seem to be the case. It's more like I make them feel bad for not trying harder, even though I don't insist in anyway that they should. I know everyone has their own journey and experiences to have.

I have just recently had a realization about these types of challenges with my friendships. I have very few friends and the ones I do have, have a real understanding of me which I appreciate. I too can not handle discussions about the weather, or what is known as 'small talk' and often struggle in these types of basic social exchanges. I often go to the heart of the matter with people, and am learning how to do this with tact or simply keep quiet. A colleague of mine was kind enough to say once that I often point out things that people aren't yet ready to be made aware of. I appreciated her honesty and because of that statement I have learned to be more discerning about my contribution to conversations. (But don't always get it right) I want to say thank you for this post because I suddenly don't feel so alone anymore; I always feel like I don't quite fit in with the rest of the human race...and perhaps it's just a more selective few people that I fit in with. Thank you again

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
1,185 posts

Thank YOU, Kaolin.

I'm glad I'm not the only one out there who has been told she is "too good". What an absurd thing to say. ;-)

I don't know if you're familiar with Enneagram typing, but if not, you might find the test interesting and it's free online. The motto for my E-type is: " There is always room for improvement", and I definitely believe that. So many don't even try to improve as people, and I remain truly baffled as to what they think we are here on earth to do then. Only recently did it dawn on me that we many not all be here to do the same things....guess I'm a slow learner, lol.

C. Cat

Kaolin
@kaolin
last year
28 posts

What a great motto...I also believe that we are here to grow and learn and to be the best version of ourselves. I am often confused by what other people believe is there purpose here. I have taken up the habit that when something in my life is causing me pain or discomfort, I tend to look at myself...eventually. (After I allow the initial anger/disappointment/sadness go through me) Apparently the idea of look at one self is a foreign concept to a lot of people...and that's ok...it just confuses me.

I will check out the Enneagram typing ...thank you for the suggestion.

Cheshire Cat
@cheshire-cat
last year
1,185 posts

Hi Kaolin,

I know this is not PC to say, but I am not PC, and I am not OK with people not looking at themselves. I am fed up with people who blame everyone and everything but themselves for everything, and the resulting pain they cause everyone around them. However, I'm older than you, and you've got plenty of time left to get as disgusted as I am. (grins)

C. Cat

karma
@karma
last year
159 posts

Hi Hon (janejames) - I don`t think I have expressed myself properly (nothing new lol)

My anger is never for no reason and never directed at anyone other than the person who has pushed me to a limit (and it takes a lot of pushing) I am known (like Cheshire Cat) for being extremely mellow and calm... always have been. When I do fly it is well and truly noted the whomever just went too far - I just hate being pushed to the point because I end up hating myself.

I do not hate the human race, I cannot believe them as mentally ill, On the contrary I do not believe in mental illness as I have expressed elsewhere in other posts discussing the mind and brain being different parts of who we are. (the brain being the physical, the mind the spiritual.... many people use their brains but not their minds)

I totally respect and even admire your advice though, we all make our own reasoning as to how to cope with the world around us - I would not say I think you are wrong to see it your way because if its right for you then it cant be wrong :)...

I am extremely compassionate (too much so esp on an individual level)- I just see the human race (as a whole) - Ugly, the greed, hate, selfishness, arrogance, violence, deliberated ignorance, accepting of anything so long as its not on their door step,... for what it is and, believe my viewing them this way is very healthy in spiritual advancement - To separate from the what has become the acceptable in today`s world I believe a massive step in the right direction - Humanity has lost sight of anything other than its selfish self.

Its a very long and deep discussion concerning who we are and why and am not sure if I would be imposing in this thread?

janeames
@janeames
last year
10 posts

This venue is open for fall to discuss and so you are not imposing. The reason I mentioned seeing people as "mentally Ill" is not like I really think they are mentally ill. In the Buddhist tradition, in which I have practiced, people are perceived as not being enlightened if they don't have right action, right thought, and meditation is a daily practice. The idea is to keep one grounded. It is also considered, in this tradition, that the mind by its very nature is scattered and the task is to keep coming back to a centered and more stable condition. It is a condition that everyone suffers from, and unless one is consciously performing right speech, right action, then one's speech and action can be inappropriate - the Buddhist regard it like being in a state of madness.

Meditation, on a regular, long term basis is a very powerful tool, in grounds you and you are able to deflect attacks, come to decisions more quickly, and speak your mind with careful language.

So in closing "mentally ill" was more of an expression on how to see others, when being attacked, it was meant as a protection to the one being attacked, and not as an excuse for the attacker.

Emails and written dialogue is always hard to communicate what a person means, I hope I have cleared things up.

It is safe to say that every human suffers in the same way, we are all trying to find a way to live - people here seem, although sometimes hurt are def more enlightened than their attackers. Regards.

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